I was curious on the proper etiquette for rolling on items for PUGs. I recently participated in a turtle raid with a roll/pass loot setting. The raid itself was quite successful, and the raid managed to finish off the turtle in one go. Naturally, this being the second time I did it, I was still pretty excited to complete it with minimal deaths! Once everyone was revived, the leader looted the chest, and there happened to be a 1st age item I could use! There were a few other champs in the raid of the same class, so I knew I may not get it, but it was cool to have the opportunity to roll on it. Once the rolls finished, it turned out a captain won the roll…. I was totally confused and frustrated. I thought maybe the captain by-mistake may have rolled on it, since he seemed rather out of it at the time. While I was still pondering and vocally asking the others in the raid why a captain got a champ 1st age, a few members of the raid forgot to loot the chest for their tokens. Being the nice person that I am and still being in the room, I invited them back in. The captain was one of those people and also another champ. It turned out, after questioning the captain when I invited him back, that he rolled on it for his kinmate, the champ I reinvited back in. This does not seem right to me. I had two of my own kinmates in the PUG and did not ask for them to roll for me. Am I correct in assuming that this is frowned upon? Other than grouping with people you know, there’s not much I can think of that would avoid this kind of situation unfortunately. Perhaps changing the loot rules could help prevent this?
This question really hits on a topic/situation that so many people are encountering in their PUGging experiences. I’m glad you asked it! Thanks, Yajard.
The first and most important thing to point out is that, technically speaking, there are no real rules when it comes to PUG groups and you’re going to find people who disagree on the matter. What I intend to lay out here are a set of easy to follow, basic courtesy rules in regards to rolling on Loot in PUG groups.
- You roll for the class you played. (No one knows nor cares what other characters you have, if you played a minstrel this time, then as far as anyone knows that all you have, leave it that way)
- No Proxy Rolling (this means you roll for yourself and yourself only).
- If you’ve already won a set-piece or rare item during the raid session, you should pass on all other high-demand drops. (sharing is caring)
- If you’re the raid leader you should always use Master Loot to take control of the rules, if you don’t people will magically “forget” that they shouldn’t be rolling on something.
- If a class specific item that is tradable (not bind on acquire) drops and no one is present on that class, anyone who hasn’t won some form of rare drop should roll for it on the premise that they may sell it to improve the character that they’re currently playing (or give it to an alt/friend, whatever, but the logic is that anyone can make good use of gold generated by selling)
Now, bear in mind, just because I’ve laid out what I perceive to be a fair set of guidelines for PUG loot rolling doesn’t mean that things like this won’t continue to happen, because they will. Yajard touched on the fact that the only really safe way to know that you’re not going to have someone blatantly rolling in a manner inconsistent with generally accepted etiquette is to stick to grouping with people you know. PUGging opens up more group opportunities but the quality of the experience will vary. This is one of those things where you have to roll with the punches and hope that the leader of the group will at least do their best to keep things fair. It’s not a bad idea to ask the group leader what the loot rules will be before deciding to go.
This article is part of the “Ask Elborigorn” series, where I encourage CSTM readers to send questions to me at: firstname.lastname@example.org . I then will answer the question either with an entire article or as part of a multi-question weekly article.